Senior mini for sale

For sale: Senior mini No 61. Ready to race complete with Slicks and wet tyres, plus some spares



See stevie in the pits or contact him on 07534402258.

Are you selling up or has Stevie built a new one?

selling up

Oh that's come as a surprise.

That's a shame, is he racing in a different class?

steve troy (dad) wrote:For sale: Senior mini No 61. Ready to race complete with Slicks and wet tyres, plus some spares



See stevie in the pits or contact him on 07534402258.

anything to do with it failing engine checks after yesterdays final?

scouse48 wrote:anything to do with it failing engine checks after yesterdays final?

why what did it fail on

Car was for sale before yesterdays meeting. Not sure it has failed. Stroke length was under investigation. Does any one know the official stroke length? Rules state a standard crank has to used.

A 1275 A series runs 70.6mm bore with 81.28mm stroke. So if my understanding of the rules are corrct the measured stroke should be 81mm with a standard crank

RULE 124. ENGINE



Any a series 1300cc with standard pistons,20 thou max overbore.Any standard head and valves,the head may be skimmed to increase compression,the block face may be decked but pistons must be level with the block face.Any cam that fits without modification to block or head.No porting or polishing to the head.No lightening or balancing of crank,conrods or pistons allowed.Standard flywheel and clutch,lightening and balancing allowed.Timing chains - Not belts - vernier or off set woodruff keys allowed.Standard distributor open to modifications.Carburettor must be 1.75" SU two or four bolt fixing.Manifolds are free.Jets,springs,needles in carb are interchangeable.Remote oil filters and oil coolers are allowed.Any Rocker gear that fits without modification and standard push rods.Standard road fuel to be used.Any radiator providing it is within the engine bay.

IF THE RULES DO NOT SPECIFY THAT YOU CAN,THEN TAKE IT THAT YOU CANT

There's nothing in the rules there to say that u can't stroke it as long as the cc stays under 1300 cc so if he's left the bore standard he may have got away with stroking it

Tam944 wrote:RULE 124. ENGINE



Any a series 1300cc with standard pistons,20 thou max overbore.Any standard head and valves,the head may be skimmed to increase compression,the block face may be decked but pistons must be level with the block face.Any cam that fits without modification to block or head.No porting or polishing to the head.No lightening or balancing of crank,conrods or pistons allowed.Standard flywheel and clutch,lightening and balancing allowed.Timing chains - Not belts - vernier or off set woodruff keys allowed.Standard distributor open to modifications.Carburettor must be 1.75" SU two or four bolt fixing.Manifolds are free.Jets,springs,needles in carb are interchangeable.Remote oil filters and oil coolers are allowed.Any Rocker gear that fits without modification and standard push rods.Standard road fuel to be used.Any radiator providing it is within the engine bay.

IF THE RULES DO NOT SPECIFY THAT YOU CAN,THEN TAKE IT THAT YOU CANT

If I read the above to the letter i.e. if the rules do not specify it you can't use it then the use of a stroker crank would be illegal whether the capacity remained below 1300cc or not.

How do they check if you have balanced the crank, rods n pistons ?

When rules are tight, the difference between winning and loosing is all about your interpratation of the rule book, and reading into it the things that HASNT been writen.. To write at the bottom "if the rules do not specify that you can, then take it you cant" is a joke.. Who writes this sh1t ?

ace234 wrote:How do they check if you have balanced the crank, rods n pistons ?

When rules are tight, the difference between winning and loosing is all about your interpratation of the rule book, and reading into it the things that HASNT been writen.. To write at the bottom "if the rules do not specify that you can, then take it you cant" is a joke.. Who writes this sh1t ?

Simples if your not 100% it's allowed phone the committee and ask them if it's ok...

But they may allow things for 1 but not another. ....

Get a grip Josh, if your that worried about it then put yourself forward for the committee, I'll vote for you. Wartons always been the same in the minis, if your winning it's because your cheating, you usually find the ones who shout loudest are the ones who are cheating and still can't keep up.

Twisty413 wrote:

ace234 wrote:How do they check if you have balanced the crank, rods n pistons ?

When rules are tight, the difference between winning and loosing is all about your interpratation of the rule book, and reading into it the things that HASNT been writen.. To write at the bottom "if the rules do not specify that you can, then take it you cant" is a joke.. Who writes this sh1t ?

Simples if your not 100% it's allowed phone the committee and ask them if it's ok...

And if they like you yes and if they dont it's no

See above Tommy. The only way you can make 100% sure is to have a list of the exact parts your allowed for the engine. Even then you'd get one thats a little bit faster, that's just the nature of engines.

Twisty413 wrote:See above Tommy. The only way you can make 100% sure is to have a list of the exact parts your allowed for the engine. Even then you'd get one thats a little bit faster, that's just the nature of engines.

Correct but it woud be closer and the checks are a good thing but the bottom ends aren't being checked rods and pistons. The rules need a revamp as well ie u cannot race a 1000 1275 850 ect only a 1300

speed grooves, cracked pistons and bent rods need banning from stock cars

andydawson475 wrote:speed grooves, cracked pistons and bent rods need banning from stock cars

As should vvt and shale wings

ive got a grip, i like to race fair and prove a point, you dont need money to be competative .. SIMPLE! i dont cheat, ive got a standard engine with a cam and a skimmed head ... enough said.. if your face fits ...

Onslow675 wrote:

Tam944 wrote:RULE 124. ENGINE



Any a series 1300cc with standard pistons,20 thou max overbore.Any standard head and valves,the head may be skimmed to increase compression,the block face may be decked but pistons must be level with the block face.Any cam that fits without modification to block or head.No porting or polishing to the head.No lightening or balancing of crank,conrods or pistons allowed.Standard flywheel and clutch,lightening and balancing allowed.Timing chains - Not belts - vernier or off set woodruff keys allowed.Standard distributor open to modifications.Carburettor must be 1.75" SU two or four bolt fixing.Manifolds are free.Jets,springs,needles in carb are interchangeable.Remote oil filters and oil coolers are allowed.Any Rocker gear that fits without modification and standard push rods.Standard road fuel to be used.Any radiator providing it is within the engine bay.

IF THE RULES DO NOT SPECIFY THAT YOU CAN,THEN TAKE IT THAT YOU CANT

If I read the above to the letter i.e. if the rules do not specify it you can't use it then the use of a stroker crank would be illegal whether the capacity remained below 1300cc or not.

The crank was not a stroker crank. Rules state any standard A series crank can be used.

Josh-464 wrote:ive got a grip, i like to race fair and prove a point, you dont need money to be competative .. SIMPLE! i dont cheat, ive got a standard engine with a cam and a skimmed head ... enough said.. if your face fits ...

Enlighten me as to whose face fits? Everyone I talk to in the pits, including my own family I might add, reckons there's somebody whose face fits. Now either it's me whose face fits, doubt it, or everyone is pointing at each other. As yet no one has been proven a cheater, that may change after tomorrows committee meeting however until then nobody can point fingers. I've not broke the bank either and proved yesterday you can be competitive, and that was with a nice big crack in the manifold.

On another note at least our class is getting talked about, I bet all the stock car girls can't wait to watch us go at it next meeting!!